in 2010 and then re-elected, a lot of them did get re-elected, and supposedly don't care if they get re-elected again, would you use the debt eagle? once we go through this and the cliff is no longer, would you play hardball with the debt ceiling knowing that you're going to be blamed for that and lose your seat in 2014? >> it would depend on the promises that i made to get elected. what we have is a roomful of people who made promises that probably can't be kept. and they're worried about going home, and giving a speech in a high school auditorium and having somebody stand up in the back and say, hey, you said you wouldn't raise taxes under any circumstances. so that's an impossible promise to keep in today's world. >> you think it still works, though, if this all happens in january? >> sure. >> you think that then they can say they kept the promise? >> sure. i mean, look -- >> you don't think the public sees through that? >> i wish i 0 could say that i thought the public sees through. listen, the market doesn't seem to be too bothered by the fact that it seems at this point to be i